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ADDENDA TO PREVIOUS MESSAGE,
WHEN LOADING THE LAP CODE, BE SURE THAT YOU HAVE DONE THE MODCHR ON
"(THAT IS DOUBLE QUOTE). THAT IS PROBABLY YOUR PUSH DOWN ERROR,
ALTHOUGH THE OTHER SUGGESTION IS STILL PERTINENT.
JEFF JACOBS
15-APR-73 2340 NET,GUE
BRUCE,
CODE FOR SEPERATOR LOOKS OK. THAT LIST IS A BUNCH OF SEPERATOR CHARACTERS
SUCH AS LINEFEED, CR, ESCAPE ETC. NOT SURE ABOUT THE COMPILER
ERROR.
HOWEVER, IF YOU CAN NARROW IT TO THE FUNCTION WHICH CAUSES THE BLOW UP,
I CAN PROBABLY HELP
YOU OUT. ALSO, TO AVOID THE PDL OVERFLOW PROBLEM, TECO
THE LAP FILE AND REMOVE THE GRINL VARIABLE. ALSO, YOU MIGHT TRY
REMOVEING THE ESCAPE FROM SEPERATOR, PARTICULARLY IF
YOUR SYSTEM CONVERTS ALTMODE TO 33(IN WHICH CASE YOU MIGHT ALSO CHANGE
IT IN THE UCILSP.MAC FILE. ABOUT LINE 94, IT READS
ALTMODE==175, CHANGE TO 33. THIS WILL ALLOW LINEREAD TO WORK PROPERLY
ALSO.)
WILL TRY TO CHECK BACK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. IF WORSEE
COMES TO WORST, SEND ANOTHER DECTAPE AND I WILL SEND YOU THE LAP
CODE(AS I HAD NO SUCH PROBLEM COMPILING CONNIVER).
JEFF JACOBS
15-APR-73 2336 NET,GUE
BRUCE,
I AM A BIT UPSET ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS WITH THE COMPILER.
THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH LAMBDA'S WITH MORE THAN ONE EXPRESSION.
(ONE EXEPTION, SEE BELOW). YOUR COMPILER IS FAIRLY CURRENT. (LAST VERSION
HERE ABOUT 14-FEB). WE HAVE BEEN USING THIS COMPILER IN VARIOUS VERSIONS,
AND MOST OF THE CODE WRITTEN HERE CONSISTS OF LAMBDA'S WITH MULTIPLE
EXPRESSIONS. WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE FURTHER INFO ON YOUR PROBLEMS.
THE EXCEPTION MENTIONED HAS TO DO WITH INTERNAL LAMBDA'S.
THIS PROBLEM HAS BEEN CORRECTED IN THE VERSION AFTER YOURS.
DARYLE LEWIS MADE THE FIX. I CAN EITHER SEND YOU A COPY OF THE
LATEST VERSION OR SEND YOU THE FIX. (THIS WAS A LONG STANDING PROBLEM,
AND I CAN'T FIND MY NOTE ON THE FIX).
SORRY ABOUT THE GETSEG UUO. OTHER POTENTIAL PROBLEMS:
1.SYSTEM ASSUMES PPN'S ARE INUM'S. APPROX LINE 1130 IN MACRO CODE.
2.THE AFOREMENTIONED ALTMODE PROBLEM.
3.PROGN OFTEN CAUSES A COMPILER ERROR WHEN USED AS A PREDICATE
(SEEMS TO BE WHEN ONE OF THE PROGN EXPRESSIONS IS AN AND OR AN OR I.E.
...(AND(PROGN ...(AND ...)..)E2)
THE CONTEXT IS A BIT MORE COMPLEX THAN THIS. WHIT WROTE THE CODE, SO
YOU CAN CONFER WITH HIM OR WAIT UNTIL I FIX (ABOUT TWO WEEKS AT CURRENT
LOAD).
NEED MORE INFO ON COMPIER PROBLEM BEFORE I CAN OFFER ASSISTANCE.
JEFF JACOBS
19-APR-73 0008 NET,GUE
WE CANNOT CURRENTLY SEND OR RECIEVE CODE INTO OUR MACHINE. HOWEVER,
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A MEANS TO GET AROUND THIS ANNOYING LIMITATION.
(IT'S VERY SIMPLE, BUT REQUIRES A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF HARDWARE).
WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE IT BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK, WHICH WILL MAKE THINGS EASIER,
(SINCE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE KEEPING TRACK OF SEVERAL SYSTEMS).
GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT CONNIVER. YOU WILL CERTAINLY FIND IT EASIER TO
CONVERT M.I.T. CODE TO UCILSP.
J.M.J.
19-APR-73 1258 NET,GUE
BRUCE,
LARRY MASINTER FOUND BUG IN *MAX AND *MIN ROUTINES.
FIX IS TO DELETE OPB2:+1 (READS MOVE AR1,A).
JEFF JACOBS
24-APR-73 0050 NET,GUE
BRUCE,
YOU CAN LEAVE MESSAGES ON YOUR OWN ACCOUNT. I HAVE CONTACTED LES
TO SEE IF I CAN GET AN ACCOUNT UP THERE, SO THAT MESSAGES CAN SIMPLY BE
SENT. WILL LET YOU KNOW IF AND/OR WHEN.(ALSO, IT'S SPELLED JEFFREY).
JEFF JACOBS
23-APR-73 2313 NET,GUE
BRUCE,
EDITP DOESN'T WORK IN YOUR SYSTEM. IS TIS DELIBERATE OR IS IT
AN ERROR THAT NO-ONE IS AWARE OF?
JEFF
28-APR-73 0011 1,JMJ
JEFF JACOBS SENT YOU SOME TAPES INTENDED FOR ME. WHEN YOU GET
THEM, WOULD YOU SEND ME A NOTE? THANKS
LARRY
26-APR-73 2348 4,LMM
BRUCE,
SENT YOUR TAPES BACK TODAY. ONE OF THEM WAS BAD, SO I COULDN'T INCLUDE
DWIM.LAP. INSTRUCTIONS FOR PLANNER (DPLNR) AND DWIM ARE INCLUDED.
ALSO, THE FIX TO PROGN IN THE COMPILER IS NOT IN THE CODE. HOWEVER,
I DID TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT. NO ANYONE NEEDING A HACKER FOR THE SUMMER?
JEFF
26-APR-73 2256 1,JMJ
TAPES ARRIVED TODAY. THERE IS NO DOCCMENTATION ON DWIM. I WILL TRY
TO INCLUDE A VERY BRIEF WRITE-UP. ALSO WILL SEND PLANNER STUFF.
JEFF
26-APR-73 1312 1,JMJ
MESSAGES CAN BE SENT CARE OF JMJ. IT'S NOT A LEGITIMATE ACCOUNT, BUT
LES CLAIMS I CAN GET AT THE MESSAGES.
JEFF JACOBS
25-APR-73 0151 NET,GUE
BRUCE,
IS ILISP THE SAME AS UCILSP? IF SO, IT IS FLAKIER THAN A STALE DONUT!
NOT ONLY DOES EDITP NOT WORK PROPERLY (AT ALL), THE BREAK PACKAGE
IS SCREWED UP. THE ONLY TIME YOU SHULD GET A NON-NUMERIC ARGUMENT
IS WHEN YOU WOULD THINK. ALSO, IT APPEARS THAT THE SYSTEM WAS CREATED
AND RUN BEFORE IT WAS TRANSFERED TO SYS:. IT DOES NOT LOAD THE INIT
FILE. THE SYSTEM SHULD BE CREATED AS PER THE MANUAL AND THEN TRANSFERED
TO SYS:. (DOING A SYSCLR AND RESAVING THE SYSTEM VERSION WILL
CAUSE THE SAME RESULT FOR THE INIT FILE). I DON'T KNOW
WHAT ELSE ISN'T WORKING PROPERLY, BUT THE BREAK PACKAGE SHULD DEFINITELY
WORK PROPERLY.
JEFF
28-APR-73 2348 1,JMJ
∂06-MAY-73 1607 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
FIX TO MEMQ:
INSERT
CAMGE B,FWSO
AT MEMQ:+5 (BEFORE THE JUMPN). THIS WILL PREVENT MEMQ FROM TRIPPING THRU
FULL WORD SPACE, INUMS, THE HI-SEG AND OTHER OBNOXIOUS LOCATIONS.
JEFF
∂26-MAY-73 2346 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
SORRY, NO TAN FUNCTION IN THE FORTRAN LIBRARY!! DELETE IT FROM DOCUMENTATION.
ALSO, PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT BPS CAANOT BE EXPANDE
AFTER LOADING A REL FILE OF SOME TTYE. THIS IS BING CHANGED BY THE ADDITION
OF TWO NEW FUNCTION *RPUTSY, AND *RGETSYM (OR DID I ALREADY TELL YU THAT).
WILL STIL TRY TO GET UP THERE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE I SPLIT FOR WASH.
JEFF
∂25-MAY-73 0328 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
FUCITP (FILES TO AND FROM UCI TRANSFER PROTOCAL)
GETTING THERE, IT SEEMS WE CAN AT LEAST SEND FILES OUT.
(ALBEIT SLOWLY)
JEFF
∂24-MAY-73 2112 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
NO SHIT! OH, WELL, IF TAN IS AVAILABEL I'LL PUT IT IN. OTHERWISE
TRY SIN/COS. PEOPLE CURRENTLY USING IT ARE CMU, CAL-TECH,
NIH, YOU AND POSSIBLY HARVARD. (RON KAPLAN ASKED FOR IT, ALL
WE SENT WERE SAV AND SHR. NEVER HEARD A WORD, SO I DON'T KNOW).
ALSO, I THINK U. OF PENN HAS A VERY, VERY OLD VERSION.
THE WORST PART IS THAT DECUS IS GOING TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE
FREE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LOADER, MOST OF THE SWITCHES
LIKE ALVINE, STPGAP ETC MAY KILL THINGS IF THEY ARE ENABLED.
(IF YOU TRY THEM, LET ME KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. HOWEVER, I HATED
ALVINE WITH A PASSION AND WOULDN'T ENABLE IT IF PAID).
ALSO, VANCOUVER B.C. HAS A LOT OF OUR CODE IN THEIR NEW SYSTEM,
AND SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE COMPATIBLE.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY THERE, AND WE WENT THE CODE ABOUT
A YEAR AGO. THEIR STACK FUNCTIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMPATIBLE
ALSO (THEY HAVE TO BE). BY THE WAY, THERE ARE SOME PACKAGES
THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN, INCLUDING A VERY GOOD X-REF'R.
THEY ARE DOCUMENTED (IF I CAN FIND THE DOC). IF I GET
SOME SPARE TIME, I WILL DOCUMENT DWIM (AFTER I MAKE SOME CHANGES,
LIKE FIXING UP THE EDITOR TO TAKE IT). IF/WHEN I DO
I'LL SEND IT UP. EXCEPT FOR THE TOP-LEVEL, IT'S REASONABLY
SIMILAR TO A SUBSET OF BBN'S.
JEFF
∂24-MAY-73 1921 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
DID ANYBODY PUT DWIM UP? IF SO WHERE?
JEFF
∂24-MAY-73 0407 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
THINK THAT IS FUN? TRY (*GREAT 1 NIL) WHICH IS TILL UNCHANGED EVEN
BY US! HAVEN'T LOOKED AT DPLNR, BUT I KNOW THAT AT LEAST THDUMP
IS THERE. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONS
AGAIN. I'LL BRING THEM WITH ME IF I GET UP THERE. I AM SUPPOSED
TO GO TO VANCOUVER WASH. FOR SIX WEEKS JUNE 17, BUT I WILL TRY TO
GET UP THERE BEFORE THEN. IF I CAN'T, THEN I'LL BE BY ON MY
WAY BACK AND/OR ALMOST CERTAINLY FOR THE AI CONFERENCE.
STILL TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING CLEARED UP HERE. THAT WEEK SICK
PUT ME WAY BEHIND. IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY ELSE WHO IS DESPERATE
FOR UCIKLUDGE, TELL THEM TO GET IN TOUCH, SINCE I DON'T THINK THERE
IS A TIP UP THERE. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING SOME
BREAD, CONTACT TRW IN VANCOUVER WASH. THEY'RE DESPERATE AND
ARE PAYING OUTRAGEOUS SUMS OF MONEY FOR PEOPLE WITH DUMB ENGINEERING
CONCEPT EQUIPMENT, PARTICULARLY SYSTEMS PEOPLE. THEY'RE IN MUCHO
SAD SHAPE. HELL, IT'S TIME I WENT TO BED (24 HRS). LATER..
JEFF
THIS FILE GOT LOST IN THE WASH BUT BRUCE HAS A PRINTOUT
OF IT.
∂04-JUN-73 1353 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
NIX ON THE LAP FILES. THE LAP CODE IS **NOT** THE SAME
AS THE LISP CODE. IT HAS BEEN TUNED A BIT.
THE LP CODE IS U`JUST TO BOOTSTARP IT IN. I PLAN ON LEABVING
JUNE 17 OR 18. I WILL BE BACK IN EITHER SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS
(DEPNDING ON HOW LONG I CAN STAND IT). ODDS ARE THAT I WILL
STOP IN P'ALTO FOR A COUPPLE OF WEEKS WHEN I RETURN(WILL
CERTAILNLY BE THERE FOR THE CONFERENCE).
WOULD BE INTERESTED (ALWAYS LIKE $).
JEFF
∂04-JUN-73 0015 1,JMJ
BRUCE.
REMOB.LSP IS A FILE CONSISTING OF ALL OF THE NOCALL FUNCTIONS.
WHEN YOU READ IN THE INITIALIZTION FILES, ALL OF THE STUFF THAT IS
NOCALL IS REMOBED AND PUT OUT ON A FILE (REMOB.LSP). THIS IS
ESSENTIALLY A SYMBOL TABLE FOR THE USER WHO WANTS TO GET AT THOSE FUNCTIONS
(PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE MORE OBSCURE EDITOR FUNCTIONS).
THESE ARE ALL LOADED INTO THE HI-SEG. WE NORMALLY KEEP IT
ON THE SYSTEM, BUT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, I AM
ABOUT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS EVER USED IT.
SCAN.MAC IS THE LISP SCANNER. YOU GUYS WROTE IT, AND I
DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT IT. IT'S NEVER BEEN USED, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
RE. AUGLSP. WARNING!! I MAY DO IT BEFOE I SPLIT. (I WILL FIGHT RUSTY ABOUT
IT MANANA). I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA, PARTICULARLY SINCE
YOU PEOPLE SEEM TO BE CONVERTING RATHER RAPIDLY.
JEFF
P.S. IF I DO MAKE THE CHANGE BEFORE I LEAVE, IT WILL BE AN ASSEMBLY
SWITCH, OF COURSE.
∂02-JUN-73 1730 1,JMJ
BRUCE,
I WOULD APPRECIAT YOUR READING AUGLSP.DOC ON MY ACCOUNT. I
THINK THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO BRING A BIT OF COMPATABILITY BACK
INTO LISP. CONVERTING STANFORD LISP PROGRAMS(AND UCILSP) TOO
TO BBN IS GENERALLY NO TROUBLE (MOST PROGRAMS WILL RUN STRAIGHT OFF
AND OF COURSE THE SAME IS TRUE FOR UCILSP, ONLY MORE SO).
I THNK THAT YOU CAN SEE THE REASONS FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN
THAT DIRECTION. I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT,
PARTICULARLY AS I WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO FIGHT RUSTY OVER IT.
JEFF